Strategies and Movesets Help Thread

[Arcanist]

Well considering mamoswine and weavile are omega popular, and even with a yache berry it simply is just too frail to survive either ice shard or bolt beam.

EUREKA! Have a lucario on that team. Not only does mamoswine &Weavile get omega raped by it, it can set up sd on the switch and start a sweep.Scizor isnt a problem either since its numero uno slower, numero dos resisted and then it gets ohko'ed easily by CC. Jolt is still a problem so running a ground type isnt a bad idea

[Cool Ivysaur]

Well ,i think this set and any other similar set is a joke in OU,not to mention that crobat's defenses don't help the whole concept of shuffling for entry hazzard's damage.Any other bulky roar/whirlwind user can do the job much better even with roar/whirlwind's -1 priority(eg Skarmory).Crobat might have some nice resistances but it has some "key" weaknesses as well,that were mention by the guys above.Seriously,it's a waste of a party slot in OU(don't know about UU though :/ ).I would personally choose any available Scarf set over this one,as i believe it would cause much more switches,and would also take advantage of Crobats huge speed and decent attack.Brave Bird + U-turn + Stab would revenge kill many common Scarfers such as Ape and Starmie.

The idea is not bad,Crobat makes it.Generally even a Lugia with its Huge defenses and a set off Wirlwind/Roar/Sleep talk/Rest (too go along with the idea) with a 66.7 chance to shuffle would have serious problems in Ubers,taking into consideration that its faster than a large portion of them.

To sum up.Don't use this!

[Lilac]

i would recommend a swampert or a skarmory

[Greene1516]

Crobat can be surprisingly bulky, so that isn't too much of an issue, and I don't think anyone even attempts Taunting Crobat since it always gets to it first, but Lilac is right about Whirlwind, without it the set could have potential but Whirlwind serves a negative purpose.

[Scnappy]

OK Let me show you the uses of this set as I intend it to be used.
Ideally I would have Spikes and Rocks with no hazards on my side (Achived with Froslass and Skarm rather eisily) So they take maximum damage from switch ins and I can send out Crobat withought sacrificing 25% of my Hp. Crobat Can Actually make an Alright physical wall and with its Standard good speed its a new way to try out this new Idea, I read a RMT on smogon that uintroduced SD Luke to the metagame and he said in the trial stages he was constantly told that he was better of with a special one and look at the metagame now, Using my new Idea i intend to take advantage of peoples conceptions of crobat and use them to my Advantage, The Fact they feel it frail and the fact its too fast to taunt. I want a Spread that Can Take A +2 Bullet punch from a life orbed Scizor. If that can be achived then I can easily use it as one of the greatest Gimmicks to greet the metagame. The Idea to beat scizor steams with they will start with a BP and I will rest the Damage off luring them into thinking they get a Free SD, I could Simply Render them helpless with Whirlwind or if they carry Life orb Seiriousley Cripple their Sweep as With Sr Spikes And LO they have 53% And After Superfang they only get 3 more attacks and There is No Point switching out If I hit Whirlwind they Are again crippled 37% and If it Can Take An BP from Scizor it can take Physical attacks from un Super effective things nicely.
It Flees Things with a Scarf,Super Effective Priority,Pretty much everything that Can Carry A Super Effective hit and Outspeed it and Special Pokemon. It SHould Easily stop annoying things that set up and Phaze as much as possible. Sure it needs Luck But it could be potentially one of the best phazers out there. Only problem is Can It Take a +2 Scizors BP And thats why I ask for a EV Spread Or if people Keep moning about how stupid it Is anyone know of a good Damage Calculator?

Anyhow thats how I want to use it if I wasted my time I'll search for another pokemon that can do a similar thing.

[Cool Ivysaur]

OK Let me show you the uses of this set as I intend it to be used.
Ideally I would have Spikes and Rocks with no hazards on my side (Achived with Froslass and Skarm rather eisily) So they take maximum damage from switch ins and I can send out Crobat withought sacrificing 25% of my Hp. Crobat Can Actually make an Alright physical wall and with its Standard good speed its a new way to try out this new Idea, I read a RMT on smogon that uintroduced SD Luke to the metagame and he said in the trial stages he was constantly told that he was better of with a special one and look at the metagame now, Using my new Idea i intend to take advantage of peoples conceptions of crobat and use them to my Advantage, The Fact they feel it frail and the fact its too fast to taunt. I want a Spread that Can Take A +2 Bullet punch from a life orbed Scizor. If that can be achived then I can easily use it as one of the greatest Gimmicks to greet the metagame. The Idea to beat scizor steams with they will start with a BP and I will rest the Damage off luring them into thinking they get a Free SD, I could Simply Render them helpless with Whirlwind or if they carry Life orb Seiriousley Cripple their Sweep as With Sr Spikes And LO they have 53% And After Superfang they only get 3 more attacks and There is No Point switching out If I hit Whirlwind they Are again crippled 37% and If it Can Take An BP from Scizor it can take Physical attacks from un Super effective things nicely.
It Flees Things with a Scarf,Super Effective Priority,Pretty much everything that Can Carry A Super Effective hit and Outspeed it and Special Pokemon. It SHould Easily stop annoying things that set up and Phaze as much as possible. Sure it needs Luck But it could be potentially one of the best phazers out there. Only problem is Can It Take a +2 Scizors BP And thats why I ask for a EV Spread Or if people Keep moning about how stupid it Is anyone know of a good Damage Calculator?

Anyhow thats how I want to use it if I wasted my time I'll search for another pokemon that can do a similar thing.

The Damege Calculator i use:http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/Calculators/Damage.aspx

[Scnappy]

Thanks Cool Ivysaur Using that Calculator I found that A 252 Hp/176 Def/80 Speed Jolly Crobat Can Take a +2 Bullet Punch Life Orbed from Scizor with 10% Hp and return with a Super Fang/Whirlwind. This means that I take hits nicely and return with an annoying twist, Halving the HP or Phazing the opponent.
Also With the Given speed I outspeed Unscrfed Infernape and everything slower All the Time. But Would it be best to sacrifice Some defence And add to Speed to put me at 252 Hp/162 Def/96 Speed Jolly Nature Means I Still Take a +2 BP from A LO Max Attack Scizor Like this: 74.9% - 88.5%. And I am Also Able to outspeed Gengar and Everything Slower Which Means I become a formidible force but lose in SS =/
Anyhow this is my Final Request What Set seems more suitible? then I will Set to work testing it in certain teams and Creating it In the game to beat people with =]

[Lilac]

even if you do outspeed fast threats what are you going to do with crobat? If a gengar comes in, Super fang doesnt even effect it. when you whirlwind, something else will come in and kill it.

is it really worth using up a team space for one round of stealth rock damage? providing you actually get the hazards up and there isnt a spinner

[Scnappy]

I Play a Spikes,SR,Roost,Whirlwind Skarm And it has the same job as this just less gimicky and more likley to lose to Gengar. I Hope to Whirlwind gengar due to (if i take the second set) outspeeding it if its not scarfed, if it is I could carry any number of pokemon that wall boltbeam, Lanturn is a good example as it is immune to Electric and Resists Ice while being a very good special Sponge.
FI I can Shuffle Pokemon Before they even have the Chance to hit my then there Isent much Hope for them I know its Gimmicky but my amount of Defence also Allows me to Live Most Normal Effective Physical hits and If They Predict a switch and Dont T-Bolt with gengar I can Live a Shadow Ball.
Theres A reason Phaze was Given Minus Priority and This Set removes that from the Picture.

[Lilac]

but whirlwind has -1 priority, and if a gengar comes in and crobat is on full health, then it cannot rest and whirlwind anyway